The key is networking. If it truly interests you, I would start specializing now. I couldn't imagine having to get up every day to go work a job that I hate and still not get paid enough to make ends meet. I would seriously appreciate your insight on this. The housing market there is just outrageous for salaries that are pretty close to the same just outside of that state. Keep in mind that those fields have very limited job openings (especially air resources) due to the greater specialization. Job Title Minimum Education Required Median Salary (2019)* Job Growth (2018-2028)* Civil Engineer : Bachelor's degree : $87,060 : 6%: Electrical Engineer The typical curriculum for these programs is academically rigorous, and focuses on enabling you to examine the theoretical foundations of engineering and design topics. My understanding is the job outlook for certain areas of civil are better than others. AskEngineers is a forum for questions about the technologies, standards, and processes used to design & build these systems, as well as for questions about the engineering profession and its many disciplines. I love biology and the environment but I have been told that a Biology degree is essentially useless in my situations. But I LOVE biology and still want to study it. Personally, I love what I do for many reasons and I have no regrets over my career choice. 43.471468-80.544205. There are tons of oil and gas consultants out there. Currently, I'm torn between civil, environmental and mechanical. What about everyone else struggling on minimum wage? An environmental engineering degree will seperate you from the other civil applicants. she tells anyone she mentors to do civil and specialize enviro or double major. You can easily make mid 100s, maybe more. Middle management required useless paperwork genersucks any remaining enjoyment that might have been possible out of work. If you're set on targeting the environment field, go environmental engineer. This is what I recommend to almost everyone thinking about studying environmental engineering. I too feel conflicted that our work is important to society, while getting paid less than people who studied business or finance whom mainly just gambles with other's money (sorry that's just my take on the stock market). We have plenty of disposable income to go out whenever we want and travel. I served in Honduras 15 years ago in water systems and there were plenty of people that majored in structural engineering there with me (i took more environmental egr for my civil egr degree). 200 University Avenue West. Your location also matters as certain areas have a higher demand for environmental engineers. Sometimes what people really need is a change of pace, or to try something new within the same field. And what other programs are there really that I could do this with? In fact, some programs devote a significant amount of time to hands-on training in material testing, surveying, manual and computer-aided drafting, … Terms of Enrollment: Fall Term (September) Summer Term (June) for LGO students. It will make a difference in your coursework, though. Some civil programs used to not have a separate Environmental degree and employers know that. From algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, probability, statistics, and even engineering economy, mathematics is central in the field of civil engineering. The work and academic experience of construction engineers lead them into construction jobs. Isn't that based on competition though? If my post gets some traction I'll discuss more. I'd to ask you some more questions about civil engineering. Salaries in real terms are falling as outsourcing increases. 1. Until we demand the appropriate value for services then we will all continue to have these issues. Civil and Environmental Engineering. I have delivered several full PS and E packages for construction in excess of 2 million dollars. Source: Environmental engineer working in water resources. Replies to: civil vs. environmental engineering #1. ken285 3903 replies 30 threads Senior Member. I am motivated purely by passion, but I have to consider my future still. her job searches have been painful and demoralizing. exam to take. Damn man. For me it’s more than just money. Hi i am getting ready ( ....for oct 2008 P.E exam)... and i am still undecided as to which P.E. You need to read up on management consulting. Master of Science in Civil Engineering, University of Connecticut, 2003 Bachelor of Civil Engineering (graduated with highest honors), Georgia Institute of Technology, 1997 Dr. Kari Edison Watkins, P.E., is the Frederick Law Olmsted Associate Professor in the School of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Enviro engineer here! Contact the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. For example, I know someone (same age about 30) with no degree and works as a recruiter and makes 100k+ and works normal 40 hour weeks. They love to get Civil Engineers of any discipline. Purely anecdotal, but one of my brothers got a Civil Engineering qualification, and my other brother got an Environmental Science degree. There aren't really any pros or cons to either. 400 Snell Engineering Center 617.373.2444 617.373.4419 (fax). To address some of the greatest challenges of our time, the department uses approaches that range from basic scientific principles to complex engineering design, at scales from the nano to the global. Waterloo Engineering Faculty Openings Provide Website Feedback. The career paths of construction management vs. civil engineering are also different. I might make less, but I still live comfortably. I don't want to just work with water. The secondary area electives could be selected to achieve this goal. My university converted it's chem eng program into enviro eng so it was more processed than civil based. University of Waterloo. So how did that go exactly? I started in civil but am now a junior environmental engineering major. I've worked almost every element of enviro - water treatment, wastewater treatment, land remediation, environmental assessments (not air though!). Cookies help us deliver our Services. University of Waterloo. Deadline: December 1. NCEES offers two different environmental exams for professional licensing: PE Civil with a Water Resources and Environmental Depth, and PE Environmental. Civil and Environmental Engineering involves the planning, design, and construction of many of the developments, large and small, that make modern life possible. Cookies help us deliver our Services. My experience: I am a licensed Civil Engineer and (almost licensed as a Land Surveyor, one more 4 hour test) in CA with about 10 years part time experience and 4 years full time experience. You can always do a grad program in either curriculum if you find out you made the wrong choice. she really wanted to do air quality but as another poster pointed out, there are very few openings and in the US youre pretty limited geographically for an enviro, whereas civils can find work anywhere. The other part is (based on your age and my assumption your friends you are comparing yourself with) is that you haven't had to weather a major economic recession. she manages a testing team for mechanical/chemical type work in natural gas power plants. My experience: I am a licensed Civil Engineer and (almost licensed as a Land Surveyor, one more 4 hour test) in CA with about 10 years part time experience and 4 years full time experience. You'll be working harder but the pay will be better (so I've heard. I understand not switching careers at 40... but why not jobs? It’s not for everyone, and you do need a network, but you sound like a good candidate. Civil engineering programs stress engineering fundamentals, while also teaching skills that are applicable to various careers in the field, such as graphical, written and oral communication skills. Curriculum-Civil engineering diploma is designed in a way that student gets both theoretical and practical knowledge about the subject in focus.Diploma courses focuses more … I would say studying civil engineering would be the safer bet. People worry too much about what others are getting. I hate my commute, I hate the city I'm living in (Houston) and in general I wish I had made better choices up to this point. That said, my salary is decent too and I am content with my work as it is just like playing Sim City every day and I love it. Move to a non-oil funded state and get a job with the state DOT/DEC/WR dept, the pay will be less but so will your cost of living and stress levels. You have a good lens into what would be required and it could give you the challenge you are looking for. For me, the answer is no. Not a great career trajectory or life path. The Environmental concentration people took a few chemistry classes but it was mostly a Civil Engineering degree with some Chemical analysis and environmental protection added in. Environmental Engineering Rather like transportation, environmental engineering is another core consideration when it comes to the planning and construction of human settlements. The student may wish to pursue study of an engineering field outside of but related to civil and environmental engineering. I think what I am seeing is a very uneven distribution of employment in the United States. With civil engineering, you may get too caught up with the other departments like structural, construction, transportation, and hydro. At least take pride in that. You're in oil and gas, so this is less so in your side of the industry but the Is has an unquenchable thirst for oil, so it will almost always recover. I just looked on Indeed.com for my state (PA) and there is only one page of jobs there specifically looking for an Environmental Engineer. With 830 students enrolled in our undergraduate degree programs for architectural, civil, environmental and geological engineering, and 180 students in our graduate programs, we attract curious, innovative and exceptional individuals from Canada and abroad who are It may take quite a while to find a job that satisfies you. Especially for the liability we take on.... I’m near your age and making about the same base salary. I’ve been out there a few times and just going out to eat costs twice as much as it does where I live, and I live in the northeast US. Study the one that you will enjoy more. I ahve a B.E. Application Opens: October 15. I always thought Civil dealt with bridge construction and infrastructure. I would elaborate more but the tablet I'm typing on sucks and I'm a bit short on time at the moment. I always wanted to be an environmental engineer but I have people telling me that civil engineering is much more marketable. As a civil engineer, I say go environmental engineering B.S. As long as I can do that, I’m fine. Then, maybe you could go for an MS Environmental Engineering later in your career path! I generally work 830-530 and will bill OT if I work longer. Website. But it's not long (~10-15 years) until they realize that those are two things you can't really get with money. Mechanical and Civil Engineering are the two oldest and most applied fields of engineering. I've worked my ass off in college and even after college. There is just no reasonable break point in another career where I can make as much money from here to retirement. Sure.. but I enjoy going to work every day. Companies like McKinsey, Boston Consultjng Group, Bain, Deloitte, Accenture, PwC, etc all hire industry folks for lots of $$. I am an Environmental Engineer with a Civil & Environmental Engineering degree. The Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering E208 Engineering Quadrangle Princeton, New Jersey 08544 USA. I advise any students who ask me for advice to choose something else. I am fully trained and experienced in roadway design and modeling, structural road design, traffic engineering and modeling, grading and subdivision plans including legals descriptions and sewer and water design, surveying and mapping including right-of-way engineering, topos and ALTAs, storm water prevention pollution plans and WQMP along with hydrology studies and can create full construction documents including PS and E packages and contract documents. Young people look ahead and only see that they are healthy and have plenty of time. As someone who has both an accounting degree and a civil engineering degree I’ve definitely noticed that engineers do a poor job of driving revenue and actually charging what we are worth. We make plenty to live a comfortable life and support our family. In my previous career I was working 90+ hour weeks consistently and killing myself and my social life for the job, and me and my best girlfriend went back to school at the same time. But overall I am passionate about the environment not bridges and structures I couldn't care less about that. Your degree and skills are much more hard fought and the average college grad couldn't hack getting an Engineering degree. I believe you will only take 1 or 2 waste water classes in civil engineering which is probably the closest to environmental engineering in that curriculum. California is expensive a hell. Many of the faculty have extensive practical experience, and all are determined to prepare our students for the challenges of civil and Telephone: (609) 258-4600 Email: cee@princeton.edu By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Your best chance would be to land internships prior to graduation and hopefully secure a job through that. It will only get harder to get out the longer you wait. So what drives people to stay in Civil Engineering at this point? Someone works less and gets paid more, so what? I'm conflicted. Engineers apply the knowledge of math & science to design and manufacture maintainable systems used to solve specific problems. If you apply for an environmental engineering job it won't make a big difference. Keep your head up, Engineers do valuable work that most people can't do. They will make more money. Its more versatile plus a lot of programs have an option to specialize/focus in environmental anyway. I can’t put a price on that. I have multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to never go Enviro and multiple multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to get the degree. Civil engineering: Building and maintaining infrastructure. If you enjoy the biological content and want to work on limiting the environmental impact side, I would recommend enviro (but I recognize my own biased!). I have fully designed projects from scratch and trained staff in all aspects of Civil engineering. What's being lost on people is that it's a career that is enjoyable, rewarding, and can provide for a comfortable lifestyle. My goal when I was job searching was to find something with excellent health insurance and retirement, and consistent hours. I’m a PE too, started a solo consulting firm and have brought in 90k just over the last 7 months since I started. Fee: $75.00. If you are interested in environmental engineering and want to become professionally licensed, you may be wondering which PE exam to take. I didn’t get into civil engineering to become a millionaire, but knew I’d live a comfortable life. It's just not a good long term plan. Id even argue that with all the new laws and standards, there is a rising demand for environmental engineers. I enjoy my work and am happy I’ve stuck with it. The engineer got his dream start days after leaving college, and has moved quickly up the ladder, from apprentice to worker to overseer for a variety of companies, working at airports, docks, trainlines etc. Unfortunately I don't think I can pursue a degree with such limited opportunities. Did these jobs want a civil engineer and you applied anyhow? I wouldn't fret. I've worked my ass off in college and even after college. My wife complains that we don’t make more but that’s her problem as she is mostly unhappy with her career. About the only good thing is they pay overtime, sometimes, if they don't come up with enough bullshit non-billable meetings to fill up my time sheet. Support Waterloo Engineering. Take a look at the following websites for descriptions of the two fields: Don't get caught in the disaster/recovery boom human-trap that is Houston. Civil and Environmental Engineering | John A. Reif, Jr. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Could I be making more doing something else? Jerome F. Hajjar, PhD, PE CDM Smith Professor and Chair. So you think I should get my B.S, get employed for a few years, then go back for my Master's Degree in Environmental Engineering? Were they looking for a fuck ton of experience? Welcome to one of the largest and most well-respected civil and environmental engineering departments in Canada. Is there a way you can code a program to automate those designs? I myself have not started an engineering firm [I'm 26] but am interested in doing so later on in my career). I have fully designed projects from scratch and trained staff in all aspects of Civil engineering. I am an EIT in a rural area and work for a county government, which obviously does not pay well, but has really excellent benefits. I'm still a CE student but I'm in my mind 30s after serving in the military for 11 years and did quite a bit of research on pay, etc when I was deciding to make the career leap. I personally found that my enviro degree set me apart from the civils who were interested in working in those environmental elements. Degrees: Master of Engineering (MEng) … My husband and I have very little debt and our quality of life is very high, but we also know how to have non-work hobbies and how to have fun. I would say go with Civil. Just some things to keep in mind. Press J to jump to the feed. Why take huge liability / risk with signing plans to just get paid less than jobs that require no degree? Application Link: Apply here. I'm graduating with my civil degree soon and this thread is making me really sad. And I've got a team I don't hate working with. Totally agree, start small with your current contacts in your community. I've spent nights for at least the first 3 years of my career just learning Civil 3D and Microstation just to be an expert at it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Environmental only will close the door to … Look into your local state agency that regulates those areas for student positions. You can qualify as an experienced professional/technical professional. August 2010. If you end up in resource (mining/oil and gas) you're working remotely. But I’m not concerned with the fact others are making more than me, I’m not in competition with my friends and family, I’m happy they’re doing well. I hate my job (civil/structural engineer in oil and gas), it has no challenge, no opportunities for professional development, no chance of advancement or any sense of personal pride. I’ve worked on buildings that add to the amazing NYC skyline - those things have a tremendous value to me that money can’t buy. I ended up in gov't doing environmental policy and love it (now I'm back in private doing climate policy now but I got my policy start in govt). There is one thing that I am concerned about. Civil engineering is about the planning, design, construction and operation of facilities essential to modern life, ranging from bridges to transit systems. My question to you is....what's it worth. Students who take this course are often drained with numbers mixed with formulas and analysis to solve real world problems. Unfortunately, as I'm nearing 40, it's too late to switch careers at this point. I've heard that structural and construction management have been hit hardest. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. With civil engineering, you may get too caught up with the other departments like structural, construction, transportation, and hydro. Also, if you have a passion for it.. it's more about how you market/sell yourself to companies than it is about your degree so you've got that going for you regardless of your choice :). Don't let it get to you. My biggest piece of advice is not to compare yourself to business majors or those types of industry personnel. Is it really lost on us that we're making more than the average FAMILY income? If you like the work and you're comfortable, and you don't think that the amount of work that you're putting in is acceptable relative to your paycheck, you have two choices, you can either pull back and enjoy life more or you can push through and either start your own company or continue as is. There is no shortage of work but the demand is not evenly spread out geographically. As a result, civil and environmental engineers must be creative problem solvers to meet the challenges of the 21st century. I’ve worked on airports and bridges, used every day by thousands of people. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the civilengineering community. As for being marketable, if you have a degree in engineering, you can pretty much apply to most positions. Civil engineering has four specialties: Environmental/water resources engineers remove contaminants from water, reduce non-hazardous solid waste volumes, eliminate pollutants from the air and develop groundwater supplies. Howard University Receives $570K DURIP Grant for Interdisciplinary Research and Education Thu, November 5, 2020. That’s like asking what’s the difference between aeronautical engineering and mechanical engineering; they’re related and part of each other. Only you can know which of those will make you happy. However, your job description sounds awesome and unlike any civil engineering position I've seen. A civil engineering salary goes much further outside of California. My current plan is to keep living in this hell hole until my student loans are paid off, and either my house is paid off or I have enough savings to buy a house somewhere, then find some low/no effort municipal or state job to kill time in until I die or can collect whatever is left of social security by then. Overview. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the AskEngineers community. Press J to jump to the feed. I can afford rent for a nice apartment in a fun city, I go out and have fun when I want, and am able put money into savings. If I had it to do over again, I would do something else. Yes, there is a rising demand for Environmental Engineers, but I have seen so many other environmental engineers saying that I should go with Civil so I'm confused. Came here to say this. 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